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It's not yet available on the arXiv or in published form. I think from your comment above and from looking at a few of your posts that you may think this approach is too much at the level of description, but I see this as establishing that this mathematical method could equally be used by a classical physicist, insofar as it results in a simpler and more effective construction of physical models, if that classical physicist is not too hamstrung by what is or is not acceptable mathematics.<br /><br />I should say that I have been trying to persuade Philip that the approach I present in a paper in Annals of Physics 2020 (and also findable on the arXiv), "An algebraic approach to Koopman classical mechanics", includes some tools that would be useful to him in his attempts to reduce the weirdness of QM. This comment is an early attempt to articulate a new aspect of that approach, somewhat directed by your comment but, with apologies, mostly to my own needs and with a very slight background of wondering whether Philip monitors the comments here (I'm not expecting that he does, because if he notices them at all, surely he would delete some of them!) Best wishes.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08654675777726560464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26741618.post-39253958434765792532020-12-19T02:29:43.600-08:002020-12-19T02:29:43.600-08:00"(1) Events at the quantum scale can be adequ..."(1) Events at the quantum scale can be adequately described by quantum mechanics – for our purposes, nothing more is needed."<br /><br />We can make <i>predictions</i> quantum scale events, but we have no adequate <i>description</i> of them. We do not have a good explanation of the measurement problem yet. Without that quantum mechanics is a useful black box but nothing like an adequate description. <br /><br />You cannot really be arguing that "shut up and calculate" is good philosophy, can you? <br /><br />Moreover, the Schrodinger equation cannot be solved, even in principle, for any system more complex than a hydrogen atom. In order to deal with deuterium and beyond we have to introduce simplifying assumptions. That these work without us really understanding why is again, fine for physics but bad philosophy. <br /><br />And please, please, put some moderation on your comments to keep the penis enlargement crowd out! Jayaravahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13783922534271559030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26741618.post-91944884037860651992020-12-14T11:09:41.823-08:002020-12-14T11:09:41.823-08:00"Best, then, to jettison all of that and simp..."Best, then, to jettison all of that and simply consider how decision-making works in cognitive and neurological terms. That’s how to make sense of what we mean by free will."<br /><br />Agreed, and this statement just translates to some form of determinism/compatibilism. There is no room in an emergent theory of consciousness for true free will, not even close. If there were ground-up effects at the quantum scale to the giant waveform of the neurological system as a whole, they would surely be so complex that it could never be understood as choosing one decision over another. It would surely just be more unpredictability.<br /><br />Having said that, the strictly materialist ideas of emergence also don't make sense on a phenomenological level. I.e., the “Experiential Gap”. There is still something missing, but quantum indeterminacy isn't going to solve that.Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01425589835256081494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26741618.post-56175096512124652662020-12-13T08:27:56.211-08:002020-12-13T08:27:56.211-08:00"this argument has nothing to do with quantum..."this argument has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, which is why I think quantum indeterminacy is a bit of a red herring." FWIW, I agree with that.<br /><br />"the notion that causation always works from the bottom up" can only be the case if there <b>is</b> a <b>bottom</b>. For us, in the middle, where we can have no knowledge of whether there is or is not a bottom, it seems best to think of and mathematically describe causation as working from the middle out. There's a math for that: quantum field theory in the Wightman and Haag-Kastler axiomatic formalisms, in which there are measurements and operations that can be expressed as sums and other combinations of more refined measurements and operations, but there are no <i>smallest</i> measurements.<br /><br />If there is no bottom and there is <i>noise</i> all the way down, then both classically and QMically the axiom of choice and analysis done properly introduce considerable mathematical difficulties for anyone who wants to say that the bottom (we've just said there is no bottom, but people seem to think they can get away with saying something like "infinitesimals" loudly enough) determines the middle.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08654675777726560464noreply@blogger.com